croomaniac 0 Report post Posted April 28, 2004 hrmm.. nih opening topic kat Macintosh y sepi nih.. kenape agaknye Malaysian chooses Windows.. kenape tak pakai Mac mcm kat Amerika.. sebab mahal? takleh upgrade? senang rosak? bukanke mac tuh power ker? even aku sendirik tak pakai mac, reason aku tersendiri ialah supporting sw tak sebanyak win.. kukuh ker ekk alasan aku nih Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
croomaniac 0 Report post Posted April 28, 2004 overclocking capability boleh kater gaks Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freakery 0 Report post Posted April 28, 2004 lawa jugak....tapi x tau ar....hmm.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
arfaie 15 Report post Posted April 28, 2004 mahal tuh dah jadik satu faktor aku tak pilih MAC walaupun aku minat dia nyer interface ngan design... then compability ngan driver hardware pun memungkinkan jugak... lagik satu, gamers nih minat ker ngan MAC... tak kot, sebab tulah aku pun tak minat mac... platform utk game kureng laa Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freakery 0 Report post Posted April 28, 2004 memang aa....game mac skit jer.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
croomaniac 0 Report post Posted April 29, 2004 hrmm.. aku pernah jer pergi satu kedai nih kat maner aku tak ingat.. tapi banyak gaks arr game y diorang jual (i mean pirated) heheh.. tapi tak tau arr.. aku rase, mostly sebab harga kot Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gmos 1 Report post Posted April 29, 2004 komputere sekrang into 64bit war..dlm saingan kali ni MAC agak ketinggalan sikit berbanding PC atau lebih spesifik A64/FX..yg mana diorang claim diorang kuarkan dulu sistem desktop 64bit..padahal dah ade kompeni yg kuarkan AMD opteron lebih dulu dari diorang<-alasan diorang bagi..opteron bukan desktop..ai takkan tak pernah jumper desktop workstation kot?pastu yg kedua diorang claim yg diorang punya G5 ialah desktop paling power..tapi bila ade orang buat benchmark G5 dengan custom A64FX..overall performance A64FX lebih baik dari G5..bukan nak kondem sape2..tapi sebelum buat kenyataan tu lain kali buat study/survey bebetul dulu..jgn ingat sumer pengguna boleh ditipu Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ian 0 Report post Posted April 29, 2004 Baca ni...EpilogueLet me end this article with this sad note. PowerPC970 is the example of an improper marketing campaign. As we have seen, PowerPC970 processor (and the whole platform) is not bad at all. But it is not the best, either. Yes, it is slower than x86 processors and I can’t see any reasons for this gap to become smaller. No clusters on PowerPC970 will change this situation (recently Apple triumphed over a cluster on two-way PowerPC970 platforms in one of US universities). By the way, Apple is again not quite honest saying the cluster cost $5 million. This number doesn’t include the cost of building the cluster (the students who built it were working for pizza!), the cost of the cooling system, and other expenses. Apple says the university got the equipment at a special price. I won’t even tell you about the size of the system – they used ordinary system cases rather than Rack Mounts. I hope Apple won’t continue using such “marketing methods”. It is simply very sad to see things like that happening in a company that was a pioneer and initiator of many revolutions and breakthroughs in the personal computer industry. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gmos 1 Report post Posted April 30, 2004 Baca ni...EpilogueLet me end this article with this sad note. PowerPC970 is the example of an improper marketing campaign. As we have seen, PowerPC970 processor (and the whole platform) is not bad at all. But it is not the best, either. Yes, it is slower than x86 processors and I can’t see any reasons for this gap to become smaller. No clusters on PowerPC970 will change this situation (recently Apple triumphed over a cluster on two-way PowerPC970 platforms in one of US universities). By the way, Apple is again not quite honest saying the cluster cost $5 million. This number doesn’t include the cost of building the cluster (the students who built it were working for pizza!), the cost of the cooling system, and other expenses. Apple says the university got the equipment at a special price. I won’t even tell you about the size of the system – they used ordinary system cases rather than Rack Mounts. I hope Apple won’t continue using such “marketing methods”. It is simply very sad to see things like that happening in a company that was a pioneer and initiator of many revolutions and breakthroughs in the personal computer industry. Eyan..PowerPC970 ni desktop platform ke super computer?nape aku tak penah perasan..mungkin sebab ia tak popular atau out dated sekarang ni kot Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MalaysianSecurityForce 0 Report post Posted April 30, 2004 Eyan..PowerPC970 ni desktop platform ke super computer?nape aku tak penah perasan..mungkin sebab ia tak popular atau out dated sekarang ni kot PowerPC970 adalah utk desktop/workstation.Cluster Computer = Multi processor (actually multi computer)Kelajuan bila gabung byk2, blh hampir sama dengan super komputer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MalaysianSecurityForce 0 Report post Posted April 30, 2004 hrmm.. nih opening topic kat Macintosh y sepi nih.. kenape agaknye Malaysian chooses Windows.. kenape tak pakai Mac mcm kat Amerika.. sebab mahal? takleh upgrade? senang rosak? bukanke mac tuh power ker? even aku sendirik tak pakai mac, reason aku tersendiri ialah supporting sw tak sebanyak win.. kukuh ker ekk alasan aku nih Orang Amerika pun x byk yang pakai MAC. Biasanya MAC digunakan oleh graphic designer je sbb ketepatan warna monitor-printer nya mencapai 80%, compare ngan PC biasa 30-40% Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gmos 1 Report post Posted April 30, 2004 PowerPC970 adalah utk desktop/workstation.Cluster Computer = Multi processor (actually multi computer)Kelajuan bila gabung byk2, blh hampir sama dengan super komputer. ooo itu macam upenya..patut la aku tak penah dengar..bab super duper komputer ni aku tak ikut sgt Thanks MalaysianSecurityForce ..ermm..nama ko panjang sgt la..takde name pendek ke? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MalaysianSecurityForce 0 Report post Posted April 30, 2004 komputere sekrang into 64bit war..dlm saingan kali ni MAC agak ketinggalan sikit berbanding PC atau lebih spesifik A64/FX..yg mana diorang claim diorang kuarkan dulu sistem desktop 64bit..padahal dah ade kompeni yg kuarkan AMD opteron lebih dulu dari diorang<-alasan diorang bagi..opteron bukan desktop..ai takkan tak pernah jumper desktop workstation kot?pastu yg kedua diorang claim yg diorang punya G5 ialah desktop paling power..tapi bila ade orang buat benchmark G5 dengan custom A64FX..overall performance A64FX lebih baik dari G5..bukan nak kondem sape2..tapi sebelum buat kenyataan tu lain kali buat study/survey bebetul dulu..jgn ingat sumer pengguna boleh ditipu Macintosh adalah RISC, manakala INTEL/AMD adalah CISC. Secara amnya RISC jauh lebih baik drpd CISC kerana pipelining RISC lebih efisyen dan mengurangkan trashing. Tapi processor POWERPC (dibuat IBM) ni lambat di pump clock speed sbb pasaran yg limited. Cthnya, G4 hanyalah sekitar 1Ghz (tp dia psg 2 biji)sahaja berbanding Pentium4 sampai 3Ghz. Secara clock by clock, Mac akan lebih laju daripada Intel/AMD, tp malangnya, clock speednya hanyalah 1/3 drpd pentium 4, so dlm benchmark, mac selalu ketinggalan. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TRUNASUCI 15 Report post Posted April 30, 2004 rasa aku kalau nak bandingkan RISC, baik ngan RISC gak.. macam Alpha, MIPS, Sparc, UltraSPARC dan lain2.. kalau bandingkan ngan x86 tak sesuai rasanya..macam bandingkan enjin NA/Turbo 2000cc ngan Rotary 1300cc ( RX7 ) la.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gmos 1 Report post Posted April 30, 2004 hrmm...hai..kan dah lame AMD guna tech RISC dlm rekabentuk cpu diorang..yup! dia guna x86 RISC sejak dari generasi ke-7 diorang,Althon Classic yg direka bersama2 Alpha Eng. imbas kembali ke 1999... k7 intro :http://www.ianbrisland.f9.co.uk/oldsite/pc/page9.htmlk7vsG4 : http://www.arstechnica.com/cpu/1q00/g4vsk7...7/g4vsk7-1.html..sekarang ,Athlon 64 vs. Apple G5 : http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,...749,pg,8,00.aspnak compare Secara clock by clock?hai..kan bebaru ni intel dah sedar yg MHz tu tak sesuai dijadikan bahan ukuran prestasi bagi bersaing dlm desktop league..tak dpt dinafikan tech MAC lebih baik dari x86 AMD dan Intel..tapi mampukah diorang keluarkan cpu yg berdaya saing dengan tidak membelakangkan soal harege dan kehendak pengguna?kiranya dalam arena desktop pc majoriti pengguna terutamanya home user akan tengok lebih kepada faktor price per performance ratio....rasenye bab ni(RISC&CISC) pun pernah dibincangkan panjang lebar kat putera.com lame sayang sebab sumber rujukan tu semer dah ilang Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gmos 1 Report post Posted April 30, 2004 rasa aku kalau nak bandingkan RISC, baik ngan RISC gak.. macam Alpha, MIPS, Sparc, UltraSPARC dan lain2.. kalau bandingkan ngan x86 tak sesuai rasanya..macam bandingkan enjin NA/Turbo 2000cc ngan Rotary 1300cc ( RX7 ) la.. boleh la bandingkan enjin NA/Turbo 2000cc ngan Rotary 1300cc ( RX7 ) sebab keta2 tu sumer duk jalan atas jalan raye..so sape yg paling laju tu la yg paling power Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cermin 0 Report post Posted May 1, 2004 jadi... kelebihan macs ni terletak pade belah mane?ape tujuan orang beli macs ni sebab rege diakan mahal sangat and not reasonable... kalau nak dibandingkan macs ngn win, mana lebih stable dan security lebih terjamin?munkinkah macs? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mohdfadly 24 Report post Posted May 1, 2004 jadi... kelebihan macs ni terletak pade belah mane?ape tujuan orang beli macs ni sebab rege diakan mahal sangat and not reasonable... kalau nak dibandingkan macs ngn win, mana lebih stable dan security lebih terjamin?munkinkah macs? Mac ni dulu popular utk Video Editing sbb time tu Mac dah support Firewire Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MalaysianSecurityForce 0 Report post Posted May 8, 2004 hrmm...hai..kan dah lame AMD guna tech RISC dlm rekabentuk cpu diorang..yup! dia guna x86 RISC sejak dari generasi ke-7 diorang,Althon Classic yg direka bersama2 Alpha Eng. imbas kembali ke 1999... k7 intro :http://www.ianbrisland.f9.co.uk/oldsite/pc/page9.htmlk7vsG4 : http://www.arstechnica.com/cpu/1q00/g4vsk7...7/g4vsk7-1.html..sekarang ,Athlon 64 vs. Apple G5 : http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,...749,pg,8,00.aspnak compare Secara clock by clock?hai..kan bebaru ni intel dah sedar yg MHz tu tak sesuai dijadikan bahan ukuran prestasi bagi bersaing dlm desktop league..tak dpt dinafikan tech MAC lebih baik dari x86 AMD dan Intel..tapi mampukah diorang keluarkan cpu yg berdaya saing dengan tidak membelakangkan soal harege dan kehendak pengguna?kiranya dalam arena desktop pc majoriti pengguna terutamanya home user akan tengok lebih kepada faktor price per performance ratio....rasenye bab ni(RISC&CISC) pun pernah dibincangkan panjang lebar kat putera.com lame sayang sebab sumber rujukan tu semer dah ilang Asas rekabentuk intel dan AMD adalah berdasarkan IBM 360/370, iaitu RISC. Maksud mereka (AMD pakai rekabentuk RISC) adalah kerana intel dan AMD skrg dah implement superscalar dan pipelining dlm architecture mereka (tiru RISC, utk membolehkan 1 instruction = 1 cycle). Tapi, pipelining dlm CISC (yg AMD dan intel pakai) byk stall dan ini mengurangkan keberkesaanan pipelining (dlm CISC, 1 instruction = 5-30 cycles), berbanding pipelining dlm RISC. Kalo x caya, cuba check instruction intel dan amd, pastu compare dengan IBM POWERPC. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MalaysianSecurityForce 0 Report post Posted May 8, 2004 Mac ni dulu popular utk Video Editing sbb time tu Mac dah support Firewire Sekarang pun sama . Tambah lagi, warna dlm mac jauh lbh accurate (compare dgn hasil bila print) berbanding dlm PC biasa (intel & AMD). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MalaysianSecurityForce 0 Report post Posted May 8, 2004 jadi... kelebihan macs ni terletak pade belah mane?ape tujuan orang beli macs ni sebab rege diakan mahal sangat and not reasonable... kalau nak dibandingkan macs ngn win, mana lebih stable dan security lebih terjamin?munkinkah macs? Mac lbh sesuai utk kerja2 profesional dan workstation. Kedua2, mac & windows stabil skrg (since MACOS X & WIN XP). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
C-Fu 0 Report post Posted May 9, 2004 define keje2 professional. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
topeiRa 0 Report post Posted May 14, 2004 Apple Macintosh selalu orang guna untuk printing. tu yang aku tau la. Sebab aritu waktu aku buat majalah sekolah, aku pi ke PNMB (percetakan nasional berhad),.. mereka pakai mac.Satu lagi.. mac famous kat tv, . kalo ada iklan ke apa.. contohnya iklan Panadol 2 kali lebih cepat dan iklan syampu ntah ape ntah.. cerita tv pun banyak.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MalaysianSecurityForce 0 Report post Posted May 14, 2004 define keje2 professional. Kerja yg bkn main2 punyer laa... cthnya... video editing, graphic design, 3d/2d animation, data analysis, simulation dll. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MalaysianSecurityForce 0 Report post Posted May 14, 2004 Apple Macintosh selalu orang guna untuk printing. tu yang aku tau la. Sebab aritu waktu aku buat majalah sekolah, aku pi ke PNMB (percetakan nasional berhad),.. mereka pakai mac.Satu lagi.. mac famous kat tv, . kalo ada iklan ke apa.. contohnya iklan Panadol 2 kali lebih cepat dan iklan syampu ntah ape ntah.. cerita tv pun banyak.. Betul tuu.... walaupun MAC, hampir sama stabil dengan windows XP, still mac ada kelebihan... antaranya, mac x byk masalah security, user friendly, x byk virus. Sbb tu la ia masih jd pilihan byk organisasi utk benda2 kritikal Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
