apik 0 Report post Posted March 12, 2009 Camne nak tau kalau processor ke RAM yang bottleneck pc tu, contohnya pc pakai Intel Pentium 4 dengan Kingston DDR2 1GB..men game je sangkut2 je.. tension je.. Member kata tukar proc je, tapi ade yang kata upgrade RAM, pakai yang 800mhz punye..Ape bende yang botleneck, proc ke RAM? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sheikomatic 0 Report post Posted March 12, 2009 Intel yang selalu masalah bottleneck ni, AMD jarang sket.. Sebab tu la AMD lebih kepada gaming..Phenom 2 yang baru pun boleh pawn core i7 ::icon_twisted:: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
anakberudu 13 Report post Posted March 12, 2009 bottleneck <--- apo kebender tuh,, tak pernah dengaq pon.. ceta lah sket Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sheikomatic 0 Report post Posted March 12, 2009 bottleneck tu nak maksudkan sesuatu hardware yang limit overall performance pc.. Macam AMD, kurang cket bottleneck banding dengan intel, so lebih power.. ::icon_razz:: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mon678 48 Report post Posted March 13, 2009 sheikomatic wrote:Intel yang selalu masalah bottleneck ni, AMD jarang sket.. Sebab tu la AMD lebih kepada gaming..Phenom 2 yang baru pun boleh pawn core i7 ::icon_twisted::ye ker?ape buktinye....mslh bottleneck nie melibatkan proc,RAM dgn GC ar...tiga2 benda nieh main peranan....dulu topic nieh penah diterangkan dlm forum putera.com yg lama...kepd TS: kau main game ape bottleneck,Lag?GC gune GC ape? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
maxiq 0 Report post Posted March 13, 2009 mon678 wrote:sheikomatic wrote:Intel yang selalu masalah bottleneck ni, AMD jarang sket.. Sebab tu la AMD lebih kepada gaming..Phenom 2 yang baru pun boleh pawn core i7 ::icon_twisted::ye ker?ape buktinye....mslh bottleneck nie melibatkan proc,RAM dgn GC ar...tiga2 benda nieh main peranan....dulu topic nieh penah diterangkan dlm forum putera.com yg lama...kepd TS: kau main game ape bottleneck,Lag?GC gune GC ape?btul...aku x rasa AMD terkecuali...mcm aku bce, AMD socket am2+ pun bottleneck kalo pkai gc HD4870...gc HD4870 krng2 kne pkai AMD phenom, bru ok...kalo intel krng2 quad core... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sheikomatic 0 Report post Posted March 13, 2009 Bukti? Senang je.. Sebelum tu kene faham konsep Front Side Bus(FSB) dan HyperTransport(HT)..Contoh paling senang, kenape AMD Athlon X2 dulu dominate processor market? Kenape intel ketinggalan dari AMD? Pastu benchmark AMD X2 semuanya lagi tinggi dari Intel?Sebenarnya bottleneck ni hanya berpunca dari processor.. Punca Athlon X2 power dari C2D mase dulu sebab HyperTransport link dah 2000MHz.. C2D time tu FSB baru 800MHz. ini bermakna chipset intel beroperasi pada speed 800MHzx2=1600MHz.. Sebab tu la Athlon X2 senang2 boleh pawn C2D..Pastu kenape sekarang C2D dominate pulak? Reason die FSB C2D dah dinaikkan jadi 1066MHz, so chipset beroperasi pada speed 2132MHz..padahal Athlon X2 6400+ masih pakai HT link 2000MHz..Kenape Phenom score highest 3DMark? Phenom dah pakai HT link 3600MHz.. Lagi tinggi dari Core 2 Extreme.. AMD pun pernah condemn Intel sebab pakai teknologi FSB, walaupun teknologi tu bottleneck overall system performance.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Radiographer_student 0 Report post Posted March 14, 2009 Salam....bro ni msti AMD fan...ak xleh nk kter ape2 la...tp knape plak ko kter gaming proc AMD power ek??sumber (^_^)vkalo tgk performance phenom 2 yg baru ni....sure proc ni baru saje dpt compete ngan highend proc core 2 duo(e8xxxseries)blom wat benchmark lg.... ::icon_wink:: mmg ak x nafikan yg tech FSB ni dah lame....tp x semestinyer tech yg lame ni x leh compete yg baru? ::icon_cool:: btw...Intel(core i7) dah pn mulakan blik legasi hyperthreading technology...n of kos, gner tech baru yg dkenali sbg QPI(Quick Path Interconnect)... ::icon_smile:: p/s: mane2 platform pon sume ok....bergntung kpd bajet anda.... ::icon_cheers:: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sheikomatic 0 Report post Posted March 14, 2009 Despite you didnt elaborate (or even know) about the technical advantage of core i7 and QPI, how you can be surely assured that the 'new QPI technology surely beat AMD (with its HyperTransport)?Core 2 Extreme is at its own class, different class, with massive transistor count and cache and also will cost you a bomb, I assumed no one would be able to afford.AMD had been using HyperTransport, while Intel used Front Side Bus (FSB). The FSB bottlenecks pc performance, that is why Intel come up with QPI.HyperTransport is NOT a new tech, FYI it is dated a long ago, in fact from the Athlon family (attention please:Athlon family, not Phenom). HyperTranport link of 3200MHz is equals to 6.4GT/s, the same like the Core i7. Then, Phenom II 940 (by only using DDR2 and AM2+ socket) will be surely capable of reaching transfers greater than Core i7 as its HyperTransport link is '3600MHz'Thats the explanation why AMD is currently holding the world record for highest 3DMark score of 45k..Dont stop yet, wait for this April, Phenom II (with DDR3, socket AM3 and HT link of 4000MHz, then there will be true competition for Core i7..By the way, Intel copied AMD HyperTransport technology in QPI (the memory controller on the same package with the processor with addition of point to point interconnects). Even my old Athlon X2 5200+ had that, QPI clearly copied AMD technology.Though, ATi is an AMD company, wonder why its been making huge profits Dont underestimate AMD processor or condemning AMD users, unless you know the 'basic' technologies of connection and interconnection, not only the processor brand.AMD fan? Maybe you should reconsider that statement.....Way to go AMD ::icon_razz:: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Radiographer_student 0 Report post Posted March 14, 2009 Ok2 thanks bro 4 all d information.....i appreciate it.... ::icon_biggrin:: p/s: I thought that u were an AMD fan....or maybe both of them... ::icon_razz:: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sheikomatic 0 Report post Posted March 14, 2009 Support both of them, both have pro and cons.. At the end, no clear winner, sokong teknologi mane yang ke depan.. Harap2 AMD keep up R&D, Intel dah dominate processor market lame sangat dah, bagi ade competition sket, baru harga proc turun.. Kalau Phenom II socket AM3 ni harga lebih kurang dengan phenom sekarang, maybe ramai yang akan angkat rig Phenom je.. ::icon_razz:: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
♥♠♠♥ 0 Report post Posted March 14, 2009 Bottleneck tu ape? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
maxiq 0 Report post Posted March 14, 2009 ♥♠♠♥ wrote:Bottleneck tu ape?leher botol...haha...kan saudara sheikomatic dh terangkn...tgh post ke-2 dr sheikomatic... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mon678 48 Report post Posted March 16, 2009 ok2 kalah....hujah bro begitu mendalam skali..kau keje kat kilang proc ker?hebat seh...respect u bro ::icon_cheers:: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
