class_sick 3 Report post Posted December 16, 2008 (edited) Salam.ku ader mslh skit.ku baru setup system amd baru dgn menggunakan psu lama ku yg bercap ayam (PowerLogic 450W).antara hardware yg ku gune :1. Mobo Asus M2N68-AM Link2. AMD X2 5000 (2.6ghz)3. Liteon Dvdrw4. Maxtor Ide 80gb5. KVR800 2gbsmlm ku on mcm bese ok jer.boleh on n restart banyak kali tanpa sebarang masalah.tp hr nie bile ku tambah hardware :1. Samsung Floppy A (cadangnyer nak letak driver sata.nk try install xp kat sata )2. Maxtor Sata 80gbdia ada mslh lak.bile masuk windows jer,dia hang jap,pastu ku dengar hd stop.pastu dia reboot.bila ku cabut salah satu hardware yg baru ku pasang tu,windows boleh load mcm bese.so,persoalan ku disini :1. adakah PSU ku nie xcukup power utk seme hardware?2. atau ada sbb2 lain?3. klo betul PSU ku yg xcukup power,ku perlu beli PSU baru. so,mcm mana ku nk kira power yg hardware2 ni pakai?4. pd PSU Power Logic nie dia tulis Max/Peak Power=450W dan Pure/Real Power=225W. apa yg dimaksudkan dgn Max/Peak Power dan Pure/Real Power*antara hardware2 lain yg akan ku pasang-TDK Cdrw-Seagate Sata 320gbminta nasihat otai2 seme.klo ader sumber2 lain yg boleh ku baca sbg rujukan,sila kongsi link yer.thanks Edited December 16, 2008 by class_sick Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
digitaltech 0 Report post Posted December 16, 2008 Say no to Power LOGIC...jgn2....cap ayam tu....Paling cikai pun Cooler Master la....ada byk lagi brand2 bagus...Acbel, Antec, Silverstone...... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
class_sick 3 Report post Posted December 16, 2008 hehehe...ku tgh berkira2 utk beli PSU CM 2nd hand Klik Sini dr haziqnet agak2 bro,boleh ker support hardware2 tu?agak keliru skit antara perbezaan True Power dgn Extreme Power?mana satu yg lg bagus?thanks Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hampeh 21 Report post Posted December 16, 2008 apa yg dimaksudkan dgn Max/Peak Power dan Pure/Real Powertrue power = continous stable power mengikut rating watt psu tu peak power = bukan continous , dia amik "puncak"@peak watt tertinggi psu tu time dia test kat kilang . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sawi 16 Report post Posted December 16, 2008 QUOTE(class_sick @ Dec 16 2008, 05:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>so,persoalan ku disini :....3. klo betul PSU ku yg xcukup power,ku perlu beli PSU baru. so,mcm mana ku nk kira power yg hardware2 ni pakai?kira jumlah watt ko perlukan di sini -> http://extreme.outervision.com/psucalculatorlite.jspso kat situ ko boleh select current hardware yg ada, dan boleh masukkan sekali future hardware yg ko cadang nak beli & tambah kat pc tu.so last sekali ko kena letak berapa % psu capsitor agingaging ni maknanya dgn andaian ko on pc 24jam, brp lama psu tu boleh bertahan, kalau utk 1 tahun letak 10-20%, kalau nak lebih 1 tahun letak la dlm 30%. Tp jgn tamak nak letak tinggi % tu, sbb mkn tinggi % aging, makin besar watt dia kira nanti. ko letak je dlm 20 - 30%, ni sekadar anggaran.so dh dapat jumlah watt ko perlukan, beli trs PSU yg dpt tampung keperluan h/ware sekarang, dgn akan datang yg ko cadang nak tambah. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
class_sick 3 Report post Posted December 17, 2008 utk proc,ku xtau yg mana satu.dia ader dua nama satu windsor n satu lg brisbane.ku letak windsor jer.xtau la btul ke x.pastu Cold Cathodes nie utk apa?ikut calculator tu,watt yg direkemenkan adalah 368W.persoalan ku:1. klo nak beli psu,nak tgk pd Max/Peak Power atau Pure/Real Power ? sbb klo ikut Max/Peak Power psu Power Logic lama tu 450W.thanks pd yg membantu. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hampeh 21 Report post Posted December 17, 2008 beli ikut real/pure/true rating dia , jangan beli yang max/peak power nyer psu . Power logic tu tak silap aku semua ikut rating peak power jek ,baik beli baru yang betul true/real/pure power nyer . Tapi aku tengok spec ko tu tak la berat sangat patut kalau pakai cap ayam sekali pun lepas nyer .. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hiruka 4 Report post Posted December 17, 2008 Nk senang carik jer ape² brand yg ader 80+ certified PSU. Yang ni confirm Real Power PSU. Normally 80+ PSU mmg kena invest sket la duit p/s: 80+ PSU means >80% Efficiency Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sawi 16 Report post Posted December 17, 2008 (edited) Cold Cathodes= lampu yg biasa org hias pc tu. yg panjang bewarna warni beli ikut pure/real power.kalau utk pc ko tu, kalau nak beli yg ok skt dr cap ayam, ambik cooler master xtreme pun ok (tp still bukan pure/real power)kalau nak yg murah n realiable, ambik silverstone strider 400W, rm165 jer harga skarang, dulu rm2++ QUOTESpecial Feature Dual +12V rails for newest systemsSilent running 120mm fanFour serial ATA connectorsSupport PCI-E 6 pin connectorStrong continuous power outputSupport ATX 12V 2.2meh tgk price utk pelbagai jenis PSUhttp://www.modernopc.com/store/index.php?m...ex&cPath=71PSU cap ayam pun not bad, cuma tak brp stable je kalau pc tu selalu load 100%aku kat ofis ni ada satu pc amd athlox xp 2000+/mobo ga-7va, run 24jam utk jadikan firewall server, pakai psu cap ayam, dlm 5 thn 2x tukar PSU (tukar pun bkn sbb rosak, tp sbb fan bising + ada bunyi yg tak sedap di dengar)selain tu boleh katakan 99.9% pc kat ofis aku pakai PSU cap ayam dlm setahun 0.01% jer kes pc rosak sbb PSU kong. Tp paham2 la spec pc office basic jer, pakai 8jam/day. Edited December 17, 2008 by sawi Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
class_sick 3 Report post Posted December 17, 2008 QUOTEbeli ikut pure/real power.kalau utk pc ko tu, kalau nak beli yg ok skt dr cap ayam, ambik cooler master xtreme pun ok (tp still bukan pure/real power)kalau nak yg murah n realiable, ambik silverstone strider 400W, rm165 jer harga skarang, dulu rm2++mcm mana nak tau sesuatu psu tu pure power atau x?QUOTENk senang carik jer ape² brand yg ader 80+ certified PSU. Yang ni confirm Real Power PSU. Normally 80+ PSU mmg kena invest sket la duit biggrin.gifp/s: 80+ PSU means >80% Efficiencyku kurang jelas psl nie.mmg efficiency 80% jer ker?bkn 100%?apa efek klo x sampai 80%?power xcukup pun still leh wat hd sangkut2 kan?td ku pasang dua hd,lagu sangkut2.biler cabut satu,ok jer.ku ingat nak beli psu dr haziqnet jer (460watt Cooler Master)try usha thread nie http://forum.putera.com/tanya/t72314.htmlapa pandangan bro seme?ok ker?thanks Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sawi 16 Report post Posted December 19, 2008 (edited) aku terangkan secara ringkas jer, sbb aku carik gambarajah pasal 80% Efficiency ni tak jumpa plakQUOTEHigh Efficiency Power SuppliesThe efficiency rating of a power supply determines how much energy is wasted or lost when it converts the wall outlet power to the internal power components. For example, a 75% efficiency power supply that generates 300W of internal power would draw roughly 400W of power from the wall. The important thing to note about a power supply is that the efficiency rate will vary depending upon the load amount on the circuits as well as the condition of the of the circuits.Plug -> Power Code/Cable -> PSU -> komponen2 dlm PSU -> Outlet to molex connector -> HDD/Mobo & other pc componentkalau PSU yg takde pengiktirafan 80% Efficiency, kita taktau berapa banyak sebenarnya tenaga elektrik hilang as heat & lain2. Kalau pc pakai 300W, power sebenar yg ditarik dari plug kat dinding tu maybe sekitar 400W. So 100W hilang dalam perjalanan.QUOTEThe amount of power that we consume has become a major issue. Personal computers are becoming a standard item in the home similar to TVs and stereos. Because of this, it is important to try and select equipment that is as energy efficient as possible. By knowing what it really means for a power supply to be efficient, consumers can help reduce their power consumption and make some difference with the environment at the same time.dan belum ada syarikat dapat beri jaminan 100% Efficiency. Sbb kejadian satu2 tenaga hilang/terbebas dalam perjalan mmg satu benda yg berlaku secara semulajadi.sama mcm network. Kalau guna cable yg terlalu panjang, latency akan meningkat.boleh baca kat sini utk lebih details ttg 80% Efficiencyhttp://www.80plus.org/80what.htmhttp://compreviews.about.com/od/cases/a/PSUEfficiency.htm Edited December 19, 2008 by sawi Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airmanz82 0 Report post Posted December 19, 2008 askum..sory mencelah..aku nk tumpng tanya otai2 smua psu mana yg sesuai ngan rig aku niintel dual core e5200mobo gigabyte ep45-ud3Lgc gigabyte 9500 gt oc editiontolong aku otai2 smua..tima kasih. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shakcool 0 Report post Posted December 26, 2008 QUOTE(airmanz82 @ Dec 19 2008, 06:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>askum..sory mencelah..aku nk tumpng tanya otai2 smua psu mana yg sesuai ngan rig aku niintel dual core e5200mobo gigabyte ep45-ud3Lgc gigabyte 9500 gt oc editiontolong aku otai2 smua..tima kasih.ala..ape ssh..ko angkat je....CM 500W...sng cita....sdap je men game...nk lg power....angkat ar silverstone...tp bajet phm2 ar... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sarge 1 Report post Posted December 26, 2008 QUOTE(sawi @ Dec 19 2008, 04:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Plug -> Power Code/Cable -> PSU -> komponen2 dlm PSU -> Outlet to molex connector -> HDD/Mobo & other pc componentkalau PSU yg takde pengiktirafan 80% Efficiency, kita taktau berapa banyak sebenarnya tenaga elektrik hilang as heat & lain2. Kalau pc pakai 300W, power sebenar yg ditarik dari plug kat dinding tu maybe sekitar 400W. So 100W hilang dalam perjalanan.dan belum ada syarikat dapat beri jaminan 100% Efficiency. Sbb kejadian satu2 tenaga hilang/terbebas dalam perjalan mmg satu benda yg berlaku secara semulajadi.sama mcm network. Kalau guna cable yg terlalu panjang, latency akan meningkat.rasenya kurang tepat la tu Bro..ape yg aku pahamefficiency ni...tahap kebolehan PSU tu gune watt utk hasilkan watt yg sama..berbelit la pulak..contoh die laa (bukan nilai yg tepat..sekadar utk paham jerk)kalau 100 % (so far memang tak penah jumpe pun) : utk hasilkan output 500W = input die pun 500W jgkkalau 80% : output 500W = input 600Wkalau 70 % : output 500W = input 650Wso lagi tinggi tahap efficiency PSU tu, lagi bagus la sbb jimat letrik. benda ni takde kaitan dgn output voltage / watt. bukan kate kalau 80%. So kalau psu tu tulis 500W, power die cume 400W jerk. Benda ni takkan berlaku utk TRUE POWER power supply..betul output die takkan jadik 500W..mungkin 480W camtu..tapi takde la sampai 400W Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sawi 16 Report post Posted December 27, 2008 thanks tolong betulkan.seperti sarge katakan tu lebih mudah difahami Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bapak Ridha 0 Report post Posted December 30, 2008 sorry sbb aku nak tanya soalan agak banggangaku plan nak tukar PSU aku..soalan aku, bole confirm ke masuk PSU tu kat casing aku skrg?kalu bole aku taknaklah tukar casing.taknak kantoi ngan org rumah.tp aku tgk kebykan casing lbh kurang je lebar diameter nya..yelah kan..beli2 nanti..tak muat lak..dah jadi kes lain lak Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diamondclow 0 Report post Posted December 31, 2008 melainkan PC @ casing anda tu adalah dari jenama komputer branded (acer, HP, DELL dll)no problem utk tukar PSU...melainkan nak pki CORSAIR HX1000 (harga RM1k++), tu wajib tukar yg besar sbb saiz PSU dier pon besar...dan mana2 1kilo watt PSU yg setaraf dengan model corsair tdi~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites