ahhmadd 0 Report post Posted January 5, 2009 (edited) Prosessor 2.4Ghz 8M cache vs Prosessor 3.0Ghz 6MB cache. Mana lagi best? tolong bagi pendapat... Edited January 6, 2009 by ahhmadd Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
witchblade 0 Report post Posted January 5, 2009 2ghz 3mb cache Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ahhmadd 0 Report post Posted January 5, 2009 sbb apa eh?? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
test0123 1 Report post Posted January 6, 2009 Giga hertz (simbol: Hz) adalah unit SI untuk frekuensi2Ghz 3mb bermaksud 2 detik 3mb reading processor tu. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ahhmadd 0 Report post Posted January 6, 2009 terima kasih! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
average.joe 0 Report post Posted January 6, 2009 (edited) QUOTE(ahhmadd @ Jan 6 2009, 07:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>(#1) Prosessor 3Ghz 512k cache vs (#2) Prosessor 2Ghz 3MB cache. Mana lagi best? tolong bagi pendapat...salamxI think yg #1 tu Pentium 4, yg #2 tu Core 2 Duo isn't it? Sekarang ni processor tak dibandingkan dari segi freq lagi dah. Microarchitecture & cache lebih memainkan peranan. Carilah mana-mana benchmark review yg membandingkan Core 2 Duo dengan Pentium D, keputusan menunjukkan Core 2 Duo jauh mengatasi Pentium D. Ini disebabkan Core 2 Duo adalah berasaskan microarchitecture Core yg jauh lebih laju, lebih berprestasi tinggi dan lebih efisien (yes, per clock cycle) daripada microarchitecture NetBurst dalam Pentium 4 dan Pentium D. Actually it's out of question already. Go for that "2GHz 3MB cache" processor. Bury that "3GHz 512KB cache" processor into history.salam hormat. Edited January 6, 2009 by average.joe Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
asdasd 9 Report post Posted January 6, 2009 salam,apa kata bagitau terus apa model proc tu supaya senang nak bagi pendapat... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diamondclow 0 Report post Posted January 6, 2009 teori mane pki?TS pon satu, proc ape yg cuba dibandingkan ni?proc lama, tech lama, kalau pentium 4, menggunakan NetBurst (sbb tu proc semua high core clock)skrg ni x lagi...dual core E2140 (1.6GHz) pon boleh tapau pentium D (3.2GHz)...salah satu sebab efficiency per clock cycle, multiple core (pentium D dual core still x matured lagi time tu)dan bukan semata2 L2 cache...kalau mcm tu, AMD bukanlah proc yg boleh bersaing dengan Intel sbb rata2 L2 cache kecik...ps: L2 cache bukan penentu keseluruhan performance processor~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
average.joe 0 Report post Posted January 6, 2009 (edited) salamx...L2 cache bukan penentu keseluruhan performance, itu betul. tetapi apps2 yg cache-intensive akan mendapat lebih improvement melalui cache yg lebih besar, contohnya 3D games. HotHardware.com pernah ada buat review Pentium Dual-Core E2140 tu & pitted E2140 against Core 2 Duo models. Intel Pentium Dual-Core E2140 ProcessorWalaupun article tu dah lama (may 2007) tapi aku rasa ia relevan dgn apa yg kita bincangkan kat sini.dari review tu boleh dilihat benchmark scores E2140 tak begitu jauh ketinggalan, hence a good price-to-performance ratio. Cuma yg E2140 jauh ketinggalan di belakang Core 2 Duo ialah dalam 3DMark & games FPS rate. Kerana 3D games memang cache-intensive. Selain daripada tu, tak jauh ketinggalan, even almost on par. Benchmark score utk media encoding pun E2140 score hampir setanding dgn Core 2 Duo sebab multimedia encoding lebih bergantung kepada instruction set optimisation dan bukan L2 cache.Dan lagi satu perkara, kesan langsung (direct effect) cache terhadap performance hanya boleh dibuat bandingan antara processor2 yg microarchitecture nya sama, eg. Pentium Dual-Core E2xxx vs. Core 2 Duo E4xxx/E6xxx/E7xxx/E8xxx. Kalau microarchitecture berlainan, it's a different story altogether. Edited January 6, 2009 by average.joe Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ahhmadd 0 Report post Posted January 6, 2009 sori ar semua...aku cuma nk tau beza & effect antara frekuensi & cache ja.huhuhu Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
average.joe 0 Report post Posted January 6, 2009 (edited) QUOTE(ahhmadd @ Jan 6 2009, 06:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>sori ar semua...aku cuma nk tau beza & effect antara frekuensi & cache ja.huhuhusalamxi got what you meant but still it boils down to the processor's microarchitecture. sebab tu kawan2 kita ni tanya processor apa yg sebenarnya ko maksudkan. get it?salam hormat Edited January 6, 2009 by average.joe Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
K.I.T.T 0 Report post Posted January 6, 2009 QUOTE (diamondclow @ Jan 6 2009, 04:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>teori mane pki?TS pon satu, proc ape yg cuba dibandingkan ni?well...actually laju atau idak 2-2 tu sama.cuma `pickup` tu.launch banyak2 application tgk siapa `letih` dulu.less cache mean less heat.in another word we call the less cache processor it a `cheap`.....ok more cache is better right? how about ram? letih la pulak pakai english.aku cakap BM pulak...macam ni walaupun cache besar tu hebat dan dikatakan laju.tapi kena ingat jumlah amount ram yang ada tu.....cache 6MB ram DDR2 cuma 1GB seimbang ke? pakai2 pastu rasa slow....pasal ram x cukup la......begitu juga sebaliknya.kalau ram 2GB cache L2 512KB nak buat apa? setakat launch Microsoft office x nampak la.masa nak burn...punya la slow padahal ram 2GB!!!!so make sure sebelum beli kena check amaun ram kita berapa yang kita ada...well sekali lagi....cache yang less tu BIASANYA komputer low end atau komputer entry level yang pakai.sesuai sangat.then satu lagi kalau plan nak upgrade dari old Penitum 4 2.4GHZ nak speed up komputer leh rekemen guna yang proc cache kurang ni......jujurnya aku ckap kalau sendiri pakai mmg aku pakai cache yang besar...tapi kalau nak jual@cadang kepada pembeli komputer aku cadang yang cache kecik.....kena ingat more cache mmg besh tapi cooler pun nak kena besh gak....tgk PenDium D 820 2.8GHZ cache L2 1MB X 2. temp dia kus semangat.....gitu jugak ngan Pentium 4 3.0GHZ 630 series 2MB L2 kus semangat jugak........Quad core? Q6600....aduss cache L2 8MB....temp kena ingat la.....pastu selalu kena jaga2.macam habuk melekat atau debu kena amik kira...kalau tersangkut kat cpu cooler tu ...itu yang hang atau pc freeze tu........kebiasaan proc yang cache besar2 ni 1st time setup PC baru orang buat...pastu pc yang dibuat tu MESTI pc High END...bukan pc murah atau cikai.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
K.I.T.T 0 Report post Posted January 6, 2009 QUOTE (ahhmadd @ Jan 6 2009, 07:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Prosessor 3Ghz 512k cache vs Prosessor 2Ghz 3MB cache. Mana lagi best? tolong bagi pendapat...according to my database....3GHZ cache L2 512KB mean pentium 4 soket 478 Northwood yang release pada tahun 2004 then ada feat HyperThreading.....ada ke patut compare product 2004 ngan product 2007? wkakakaka. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ahhmadd 0 Report post Posted January 6, 2009 okla3...aku dh tukar dh..aku just nk tau beza ja ponnnpa2 pn, tima kasih la sbb bantuaku dh paham dhhuhuhu Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
average.joe 0 Report post Posted January 6, 2009 (edited) QUOTE(ahhmadd @ Jan 6 2009, 07:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Prosessor 2.4Ghz 8M cache vs Prosessor 3.0Ghz 6MB cache. Mana lagi best? tolong bagi pendapat...salamx...hmm... bro... payah sangat ke nak bagitau itu processor apa, model apa? tak ke mengelirukan org? cuba terus terang, instead of asking half of a question and expecting us to just guess what are u actually asking for. sorry to say, kalau nak bertanya tu buat le cara org nak bertanya. tak perlu nak menduga, main bagi-bagi clue pulak.macam yg dh aku bagitau tadi, at the 1st place kena tengok dulu processor apa tu. datang dari processor family yg sama atau tidak? technology yg sama atau tidak? dual-core ke quad-core ke whatever-core ke? best ke tak best tu utk penggunaan yg macam mana? mana boleh buta2 je nak compare based on clock speed n cache... like apples vs oranges.org tahu jer processor apa yg ko maksudkan tu, tapi memandangkan cara ko bertanya... buat org malas nak explain jer... sorry to say again. kalau tanya macam tu kat pensyarah computer science pun silap2 mau kena sergah.get it?p/s no offence ya, ahmadd ! Edited January 6, 2009 by average.joe Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diamondclow 0 Report post Posted January 6, 2009 (edited) ok...kali ni aku boleh agak yg TS cuba membandingkan Q6600 vs E8400Quad Core series vs core 2 duo kalau nak bandingkan, biar sama level, sama architecture...dlm kes ini...quad series lebih kepada multitasking dan E8400 tu lebih kepada gaming (FPS)sebab apa quad more to multitasking, bukan sebab cache tapi sebab 4 core (quad)dan E8400 lebih kepada gaming sbb game skrg more to core clock dari multicore...cuma ader certain game yg guna benefit multicore (CRYSIS yg dikatakan utilize multicore pon semput)-----------------bila masa plak more L2 cache more heat?ader bukti, fakta?kalau cakap kes pentium 4 yg dulu tu, mmg panas pon...tapi kalau kaitkan more L2 cache generate more heat, nonsense...kalau mcm tu, kenapa E8400 6MB lebih sejuk dari E2140 yg lebih kurang cache?even after OC?E8400 lebih sejuk sbb different microarchitecture...E8400 45nm, Q6600 65nm (lagipun quad core ader 4 core/teras)stay on fact, bukan database yg x dpt diapprove sohih @ x Edited January 6, 2009 by diamondclow Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hoodlums 0 Report post Posted January 6, 2009 QUOTE(K.I.T.T @ Jan 6 2009, 08:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>begitu juga sebaliknya.kalau ram 2GB cache L2 512KB nak buat apa? setakat launch Microsoft office x nampak la.masa nak burn...punya la slow padahal ram 2GB!!!!so make sure sebelum beli kena check amaun ram kita berapa yang kita ada...Bro, Athlon X2 512KB L2 cuns je pair ngn 2GB RAM, performance pun on par ngn Intel Dual Core 1MB L2 Cache pdahal saiz L2 Cache 2x ganda beza.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
average.joe 0 Report post Posted January 6, 2009 (edited) QUOTE(diamondclow @ Jan 6 2009, 11:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>kalau mcm tu, kenapa E8400 6MB lebih sejuk dari E2140 yg lebih kurang cache?even after OC?E8400 lebih sejuk sbb different microarchitecture...E8400 45nm, Q6600 65nm (lagipun quad core ader 4 core/teras)stay on fact, bukan database yg x dpt diapprove sohih @ x Salamx...microarchitecture masih sama... both are based on the coveted CORE microarchitecture... yg different (45nm vs 65nm) tu silicon process technology... smaller transistors, making smaller die footprint for similar or even larger amount of transistors... less power required for similar amount of transistors too... therefore less heat... correct me if i'm wrong or add wherever i'm lacking...@ Hoodlumsthat's why aku kata kita takleh buta2 je compare based on cache n clock speed alone... kalau processor family yg sama, microarchitecture sama, boleh la... ini lain2 jenis processor, microarchitecture tak sama. like comparing apples vs oranges. Edited January 9, 2009 by average.joe Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wanjihan82 0 Report post Posted January 6, 2009 salam broProcessor 1 (ID = 0)Number of cores 1 (max 1)Number of threads 2 (max 2)Name Intel Pentium 4 524Codename PrescottSpecification Intel® Pentium® 4 CPU 3.06GHzPackage Socket 775 LGA (platform ID = 4h)CPUID F.4.9Extended CPUID F.4Core Stepping G1Technology 90 nmCore Speed 3059.1 MHz (23.0 x 133.0 MHz)Rated Bus speed 532.0 MHzStock frequency 3066 MHzInstructions sets MMX, SSE, SSE2, SSE3, EM64TL1 Data cache 16 KBytes, 8-way set associative, 64-byte line sizeTrace cache 12 Kuops, 8-way set associativeL2 cache 1024 KBytes, 8-way set associative, 64-byte line sizeFID/VID Control noFeatures XDThread dumps tu spec prosessor aku. aku nk tanya kt sini.. processor aku ni dual core @ tak? pentium 4 HT 3.0mhz Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
average.joe 0 Report post Posted January 9, 2009 SalamPentium 4 HT tu single-core. Tapi dengan adanya HyperThreading (HT) technology, got 2 threads for 1 core. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
