electroboy 3 Report post Posted November 19, 2005 (edited) Aku tukar tajuk topik sebab kes dan persoalan aku sudah selesai, dan banyak review mengenai Pioneer dan LG Dvd writer dalam thread ni yang boleh dijadikan rujukan. so biar tajuk relevan skit. Harap maklum ------------------------------Assalamualaikum.... sorry mencelah tetapi aku ada dilema yang memerlukan bantuan anda semua yang berpengalaman.... harap tindakan aku betul meyambung thread ni kerana aku pun nak tanya dvd-rw mana lagi best... cuma aku kecilkan skop pada PioneerKisahnya gini, aku pegi lowyat plaza bebaru ni, nak beli Pioneer DVD writer. Semua kedai takde kecuali satu (yg aku blacklist sebab dah beberapa kali member aku kena tipu).. and dia ada jual dua model dvd writer pioneer:1. Pioneer A 10XL (Harga = RM335)2. Pioneer 110D (Harga = RM 225)seperti yang korang dapat lihat... perbezaannya adalah dari segi harga yg begitu ketara... dan yg no 2 tu (110D) adalah tidak didatangkan dengan kotak, hanya plastik antistatik saja... kalau yg no. 1 tu ada kotak lawa lengkap semua.bila aku tanya kenapa, dia cakap (body language dia aku tak confident) kata yg no 1 tu (A 10XL) support DV-RAM. yg satu lagi (110D) tu tidak... so aku decide utk check di internet dulu pasal kedua2 produk ni...amat malang sekali aku tidak menjumpai kedua2 model di atas di mana2 enjin carian hatta di pioneerelectronics.com sekali pun sama...so persoalan aku sekarang:1. Benarkah wujud kedua2 model tu?dan kalau korang tahu di mana aku nak dapatkan info pasal kedua2 model tu harap tolong sertakan link pada aku.2. kalau ada, apa model yg korang pilih? dan nilai dari segi wang + performance.3. Korang yg dah ada dvd burner (yg tak support DV-RAM) ada rasa nyesal tak beli yg tak support DV-RAM?terima kasih in advanced... Edited November 28, 2005 by electroboy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mangisza 0 Report post Posted November 19, 2005 ntah betul ke idak nie....mungkin nie dapat membantu serba sedikit...Pioneer Black IDE DVD Burner Model DVR-110DBK danyang ini jugakdan pasal jenis Pioneer A 10XL x jumpe laa plak....ok Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
electroboy 3 Report post Posted November 21, 2005 Thanks mangisz, link ko memudahkan kajian aku... aku masih mengkaji dan men'survey'.sebelum ni aku pernah baca ada member yang cakap DVD-RAM cam kurang penting @ tak rugi pun kalau takde sbb mahal dan burning slow. So aku nak tanya survey lebih detail pada korang yang ada DVDRW yg support DVD-RAM - korang banyak guna ke teknologi tu?I mean, korang prefer DVD-RAM ke DVD+-RW yg stended tu? Kalau ikut advantage mmg DVD-RAM lebih besar.. cuma persoalannya pioneer yg support DVD-RAM ni harganya lebih RM100 dan kalau tak guna cam rugi plak pelaburan (cam card reader aku ni banyak je slot tp tak pernah guna kecuali slot SD/MMC). Dan satu lagi, adakah DVD-RAM ni pada mereka yang dah experienced menggunakannya... memang sesuatu yg bagi korang 'keperluan'? kalau takde dah rasa cam cacat pada rig korang?skang maybe angkat Pioneer DVR-110DBK, tp kalau ada suggestion lain yg lebih munasabah dipersilakan.... thanks in advanced. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tasek16 82 Report post Posted November 21, 2005 Bagi aku DVD-Ram tak diperlukan sangat even though DVD-ram capable to write/access similialy like h/disk tapi device lain yang boleh support DVD-RAm ni sikit sangat. Bythe way kat bawah ni ada perpandingan spec untuk kedua-dua model ni:http://www.pioneeraus.com.au/comput...-110/index.htmlDVR-110Write SupportDVD DVD-R (Ver 2.0 for General disc only), DVD-R DL (Dual Layer, Ver 3.0), DVD-RW (Ver 1,0, 1.1 & 1.2), DVD+R (Ver 1.0, 1.1 & 1.2), +R DL (Double Layer Ver 1.0), +RW (Ver 1.1 & 1.2), +RW High Speed (Ver 1.0), DVD-RAM (Ver 2.0 & 2.1, non-cartridge version)CD CD-R (Type 74, 650MB / Type 80, 700MB), CD-RW (including HS, US, US+)Read SupportDVD DVD-ROM (Single and Dual Layer), DVD-RAM (Ver 2.0 & 2.1 non-cartridge version), DVD-R, DVD-R DL (Dual Layer), DVD-RW, +R, +R DL (Double Layer), +RWCD CD-ROM(Mode 1), CD-ROM XA Mode 2 (form1, form 2), CD-Text, CD-DA, CD-Extra, Video CD, PhotoCD (Single & Multiple session), CD-Text, CD-R, CD-RW (including HS, US, US+)Write SpeedDVD-R 16x, 12x, 8x, 6x, 4x, 2x, 1xDVD-RW 6x, 4x, 2x, 1xDVD-R DL 8x, 6x, 4x, 2xDVD+R 16x, 12x, 8x, 6x, 4x. 2.4xDVD+RW 8x, 6x, 4x, 2.4xDVD+R DL 8x, 6x, 4x, 2.4xDVD-RAM 5x, 3x, 2x8cm DVD-R/RW, DVD+R/RW with Adapter 2x, 1xCD-R 40x, 32x, 24x, 16x, 10xCD-RW 32x, 24x, 20x, 16x, 10x, 4xAn 80-wire IDE cable is required for 16X DVD writing speed.Read SpeedDVD-ROM (single) Max 16x CAVDVD-ROM (dual) Max 12x CAVDVD-R, DVD-R DL, DVD-RW MAX 12x CAVDVD+R, DVD+R DL, DVD+RW Max 12x CAVDVD-RAM Max 5x CLVDVD-Video (with CSS, Single / Dual Layer) 5x CAVDVD-Video (Dual Layer) 5x CAVCD-ROM, CD-R Max 40x CAVCD-RW Max 32x CAVVideo CD 9.3x CAVInstallationMounting Orientation Horizontal and VerticleInterface ATAPI (ATA-5, SFF-80980 Ver.5)IDE Data Transfer Mode PIO Mode 4, Multi Word DMA Mode 2, Ultra DMA Mode 2, Ultra DMA Mode 4Data Buffer (size) 2 MBytes (Write, Read)Dimensions (W x H x D) 148mm x 42.3mm x 180mm*Cautions. Specific application program(s) that support above format(s) required.. Supported media required for specific DVD & CD writing speeds.. To perform DVD writing at 12x or 16x speeds, use Pioneer-designate disc media.RPC settingThe DVR-110 includes Regional Playback Control (RPC Phase II Mode). Region changes can bemade up to five(5) times including the initial setting. Be aware that the fifth(5th) change will bePERMANENT. Therefore, please use caution when changing the region code on the DVR-110The method of changing the region code number may vary on the decoder or operating system used.http://www.pioneeraus.com.au/comput...10xl/index.htmlSpecifications DVR-A10XLWrite SupportDVD DVD-R (Ver 2.0 for General disc only), DVD-R DL (Dual Layer, Ver 3.0), DVD-RW (Ver 1,0, 1.1 & 1.2), DVD+R (Ver 1.0, 1.1 & 1.2), +R DL (Double Layer Ver 1.0), +RW (Ver 1.1 & 1.2), +RW High Speed (Ver 1.0), DVD-RAM (Ver 2.0 & 2.1, non-cartridge version)CD CD-R (Type 74, 650MB / Type 80, 700MB), CD-RW (including HS, US, US+)Read SupportDVD DVD-ROM (Single and Dual Layer), DVD-RAM (Ver 2.0 & 2.1 non-cartridge version), DVD-R, DVD-R DL (Dual Layer), DVD-RW, +R, +R DL (Double Layer), +RWCD CD-ROM(Mode 1), CD-ROM XA Mode 2 (form1, form 2), CD-Text, CD-DA, CD-Extra, Video CD, PhotoCD (Single & Multiple session), CD-Text, CD-R, CD-RW (including HS, US, US+)Write SpeedDVD-R 16x, 12x, 8x, 6x, 4x, 2x, 1xDVD-RW 6x, 4x, 2x, 1xDVD-R DL 8x, 6x, 4x, 2xDVD+R 16x, 12x, 8x, 6x, 4x. 2.4xDVD+RW 8x, 6x, 4x, 2.4xDVD+R DL 8x, 6x, 4x, 2.4xDVD-RAM 5x, 3x, 2x8cm DVD-R/RW, DVD+R/RW with Adapter 2x, 1xCD-R 40x, 32x, 24x, 16x, 10xCD-RW 32x, 24x, 20x, 16x, 10x, 4xAn 80-wire IDE cable is required for 16X DVD writing speed.Read SpeedDVD-ROM (single) Max 16x CAVDVD-ROM (dual) Max 12x CAVDVD-R, DVD-R DL, DVD-RW MAX 12x CAVDVD+R, DVD+R DL, DVD+RW Max 12x CAVDVD-RAM Max 5x CLVDVD-Video (with CSS, Single / Dual Layer) 5x CAVDVD-Video (Dual Layer) 5x CAVCD-ROM, CD-R Max 40x CAVCD-RW Max 32x CAVVideo CD 9.3x CAVInstallationMounting Orientation Horizontal and VerticleInterface ATAPI (ATA-5, SFF-80980 Ver.5)IDE Data Transfer Mode PIO Mode 4, Multi Word DMA Mode 2, Ultra DMA Mode 2, Ultra DMA Mode 4Data Buffer (size) 2 MBytes (Write, Read)Dimensions (W x H x D) 148mm x 42.3mm x 180mmDVD+R 16x, 12x, 8x, 6x, 4x. 2.4xDVD+RW 8x, 6x, 4x, 2.4xDVD+R DL*3 6x, 4x, 2.4xCD-R 40x, 32x, 24x, 16x, 10x, 4xCD-RW 24x, 20x, 16x, 10x, 4xAn 80-wire IDE cable is required for 16X DVD writing speed.Read SpeedDVD-ROM (single) Max 16x CAVDVD-ROM (dual) Max 12x CAVDVD-R, DVD+R MAX 12x CAVDVD-RW,DVD+RW Max 8x CAVDVD+DL MAX 8x CAVDVD-RAM Max 2x CLVCD-ROM, CD-R Max 40x CAVCD-RW Max 32x CAVMounting Orientation Horizontal and VerticleIDE Interface ATAPI PIO Mode 4, Multi word DMA Mode 2 16.6 Mbytes/sec. Ultra DMA mode 466.6 MBytes/sec.Data Buffer (size) 2 MBytes (Write, Read)Dimensions (W x H x D) 148mm x 42.3mm x 180mmNotes:. Specific application program(s) that support above format(s) required.. Supported media required for specific DVD & CD writing speeds.. To perform DVD writing at 12x or 16x speeds, use Pioneer-designate disc media.RPC settingThe DVR-A10XL includes Regional Playback Control(RPC Phase II Mode). Region changes can bemade up to five(5) times including the initial setting. Be aware that the fifth(5th) change will bePERMANENT. Therefore, please use caution when changing the region code on the DVR-A10XLThe method of changing the region code number may vary on the decoder or operating system used.PERFORMANCE REQUIREMENT:To achieve the specified writing and reading performance it is important that the DVR-A10XL is connected to the IDE port via an 80 way ribbon cable and that the IDE port is at least UDMA 66 or above. 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pokyah 0 Report post Posted November 21, 2005 dlm bnyak2 brand nape Pioneer yg ko pilih...ape yg hebat nyerr... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
electroboy 3 Report post Posted November 21, 2005 terima kasih tasek16 atas links dan comparison panjang lebar yg diberikan...amat berguna utk aku. aku pun dah survey beberapa org, dan semua sama cam tasek16 cakap, DVD-RAM tak berapa perlu sangat. Ok so skang dlm kepala aku nak dapatkan yg tak support DVD-RAM la... tp adakah DVD-RAM ni akan berkembang pada masa akan datang? kalau iye rasa cam rugi la plak.....and then aku pun ada dengar mitos dalam beberapa keadaan guna DVDRW lagi cepat dari DVD-RAM ni.. benar ke? dlm internet banyak sgt contranya dlm beberapa articles (yg professionally written) yg aku baca...dlm bnyak2 brand nape Pioneer yg ko pilih...ape yg hebat nyerr...ehehe... sebenarnya keyakinan aku terhadap pioneer optical drive semakin meningkat dengan beberapa member aku yg guna pioneer dvdrw ni... dan reviu2 pun recommend. aku sendiri dulu pakai sony dvd player..adik aku stress (layan purata 3 keping dvd sehari) tak sampai 3bulan dah weng weng weng skit dan apabila cecah bulan ke 5 tamat riwayatnya di bawah warranty. Dan skang aku ada DVD player pioneer... adik aku pun buat stress yg sama (layan dvd setiap hari sampai lebam) dan usianya yang dah lebih setahun dan masih lasak... siap boleh baca cd calar teruk lagi dengan baik.maybe aku akan cuba consider gak apa yg korang semua recommend di thread yg satu lagi... tp so far stick to pioneer first.. .. sesapa nak bagi komen atau reviu lagi dipersilakan.. thanks in advanced Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pokmat siko 0 Report post Posted November 21, 2005 sajer nak tambahdalam pc world magazine ogos 2005 pioneer dok nombor 3 terbaik daripada 6 yang dvd internal.4 lagi external1.plextor2.tosyiba3.pioneer4.sony5.asus6.samsung Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pokyah 0 Report post Posted November 21, 2005 sajer nak tambahdalam pc world magazine ogos 2005 pioneer dok nombor 3 terbaik daripada 6 yang dvd internal.4 lagi external1.plextor2.tosyiba3.pioneer4.sony5.asus6.samsung←mak aii...LG tak tersenarai langsung ker... aku rase LG aku ni dah ok...sbb 2 org membe aku beli sony rw...baru pakai tak smpai 6 bln dah bnyak problm...tak leh read la..mcm... samsung pun same..ade membe aku pakai bnyak sngat problm..tapi bukan dvd rw...dvd combo... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hoodlums 0 Report post Posted November 22, 2005 Walaupun aku guna DVD Writer yg support DVD-RAM tapi tak guna pun sbb DVD-RAM takder jual kat area aku..Klo ada pun mesti harga mahal..Lagipun penggunaan DVD-RAM kurang meluas buat masa nihh..So klo beli DVD Writer yang tak support DVD-RAM bukan satu kerugian pun disamping dapat menjimatkan bajet.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
athlonium 0 Report post Posted November 22, 2005 ya LG aku masih ok dah setahun pakai...DVDRAM dia ok..cun...aku dpt dari HandyCam aku hehehe....pakai DVDRAM...so test sekali mmg cun.....LG punya DVD-rw mmg rock...aku suggest kat kengkawan dorang pon puas hati...harga pon berbaloi...tak la mahal sangat...tak mcm sony ke apa ke...cepat rosak... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
electroboy 3 Report post Posted November 22, 2005 Uh huh... so takde la sgt keperluan DVD-RAM ni buat masa skang... and then tak meluas lagi penggunaanya... ok so aku rasa biar dulu la ye DVD-RAM ni... aku ni bukannya keja lagi.. so beli ikut kemampuan dan 'mana yg guna' je la...LG punya DVD-rw mmg rock...aku suggest kat kengkawan dorang pon puas hati...harga pon berbaloi...tak la mahal sangat...tak mcm sony ke apa ke...cepat rosak...aku pun baca di thread satu lagi pasal LG.. mmg banyak gak reviu recommend LG.. member aku sorang pakai CDRW LG pun dah nak masuk tahun ketiga OK lagi... adess athlonium... ko dah pengaruh aku dan bagi lagi banyak pilihan padaku + pening kepala...hahaha sony mmg out dari list aku... PC mag tak salah bagi samsung paling bawah ( aku dah kira 10 member aku guna samsung termasuk aku, semua kami dah ada masalah nak eject cd tak boleh.. hampeh samsung) rasanya aku akan sambar pioneer gak .. (suka tul aku jenama ni). tgk member aku sorang pakai pioneer pun rasa kepingin la plak...terima kasih pada semua yang bagi pendapat dan menolong analisa aku... maybe aku akan beli dalam dua hari lagi lepas exam tamat. masuk list aku Pioneer 110D dan maybe LG. so sesapa nak pengaruh aku dan ubah fikiranku... dipersilakan... thanks in advanced Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
athlonium 0 Report post Posted November 22, 2005 (edited) pioneer tu nama je tu, bkn nye besh sangat....baik ko beli LG.... ala utk burn je.... ko nak bangga ngan pioneer tu.... mula2 pakai besh arr lama2 boring gak...baik beli LG je murah, reliable , burn pon berquality ...tak penah ade disc yang rosak aku burn.... HeHeHe...pengaruh2....bagi aku pioneer ni bagus utk audio player keta ngan hifi je...lagi satu LG ni sapot dvd-ram...walaupun bagi kau tak begitu penting...tapi kalau tiba2 ko nak rasa kan bleh gak...dvd-ram dia pakai mcm disket...tak perlu burner software....ala mcm HandyCam kan pakai dvd-ram gak...ade yang dvd-rw je.....ko tgh exam ke?...HaHaHa mcm UKM dia hapuskan mid break...so exam sebelum raya...habis exam...terus beraya....HaHaHa.... Edited November 22, 2005 by athlonium Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
maf14 0 Report post Posted November 22, 2005 sajer nak tambahdalam pc world magazine ogos 2005 pioneer dok nombor 3 terbaik daripada 6 yang dvd internal.4 lagi external1.plextor2.tosyiba3.pioneer4.sony5.asus6.samsung←yeah walaupun asus hanya pd tempat ke 5 tetapi berjaya meletakkan namanya dlm ranking world magazine...cayalah asus!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
athlonium 0 Report post Posted November 22, 2005 ASUS ok...dulu aku suka pakai ASUS...semua ASUS utk optical drive...then aku beli dvd-rom asus...plak dia pakai oem pioneer plak...model E616P1...tak besh arr...skrang eject button dah rosak... ASUS kalau pakai tech sendiri mmg besh.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Balthazor 1 Report post Posted November 23, 2005 (edited) sajer nak tambahdalam pc world magazine ogos 2005 pioneer dok nombor 3 terbaik daripada 6 yang dvd internal.4 lagi external1.plextor2.tosyiba3.pioneer4.sony5.asus6.samsung← IMATION,BTC,AOPEN,MSI,GIGABYTE, dan TERADRIVE x masuk dalam ranking ke? Edited November 23, 2005 by [email protected] Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jamal_kk 0 Report post Posted November 23, 2005 alahai .....Eden punyo lagi lak.... jenih A Open (ado yg x pgonah donga pun)....tapi , takdo masalah pulak , dah stahun stongah lah den pakai....Ontahlah.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
athlonium 0 Report post Posted November 23, 2005 Aopen bising drive dia.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Balthazor 1 Report post Posted November 23, 2005 Aopen bising drive dia....←tambah skit.......AOPEN selalu failed read CD/VCD.....terutama mase install WIN XP.........bunyi jer menggerunkan.......tapi aku respek dia murah dlm rege RM188++............ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
athlonium 0 Report post Posted November 23, 2005 tambah lagi...kalau CD calar...kebarangkalian tak dpt membaca adalah tinggi..muahahhaa.... peace, peace kacang peace.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HanevE 1 Report post Posted November 23, 2005 So ape korang rase optical drive yg bace paling baik...Kalo cd/dvd calar rilex je die bace... Pioneer or Asus or elseaku sokong Asus!!!Pioneer aku x pena guna laa... tp nak try gak... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
athlonium 0 Report post Posted November 23, 2005 LG aku ni ok...calar rileks je dia baca, Asus pon ok.... pioneer tak penah try.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pokmat siko 0 Report post Posted November 23, 2005 pioneer adalah antara syarikat yang mula2 reka cd drive.tapi aku pakai Lite-On.baru seminggu beli.tak guna untuk read lagi.senyap je dari drive LG combo aku.mungkin sbb baru lg.Kalau kau bekenan dengan pioneer tu beli je. pahtu jaga molek. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
electroboy 3 Report post Posted November 24, 2005 Terima kasih, terima kasih... aku dah buat decision apa nak nak dibeli... aku pilih berdasarkan keperluan aku. Terima kasih atas segala sokongan anda semuaSo aku akan biarkan thread ni dibuka lagi untuk beberapa ketika.. maybe ada nak bincang lagi atau nak pengaruh aku lagi last2 minit.. dipersilakan.. dalam beberapa hari @ kalau dah tak aktif aku tutup thread ni.ko tgh exam ke?...HaHaHa mcm UKM dia hapuskan mid break...so exam sebelum raya...habis exam...terus beraya....HaHaHa....Tu arr.. tension aku, hahaha member aku di UKM pun dah settle exam. di IPT2lain pun dah lama abis.. bdk2 UPM je beraya sambil study Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kuri 0 Report post Posted November 24, 2005 dlm bnyak2 brand nape Pioneer yg ko pilih...ape yg hebat nyerr... ←Apa? Tak hebat ke pioneer? Isk²...Nih..pengalaman aku pakai Pioner model DVR-A09XLB selama lebih kurang 5-6 bulan (kot..lupa la...tapi yang penting aku beli masa awal² sem hari tu)Encik budakElektro, model yang ko survey tue model yang latest sikit dari yang aku pakai ni...tapi kalo tak silap aku la, ikut dari list yang ko bagi tu...1. Pioneer A 10XL (Harga = RM335) - ni model fullretail..cantik sikit front panel dia...nanti kalo ko gi survey lagi, tgk betul² and bandingkan front panel dia...and kalo ikut yang aku buat survey dulu, model full retail ni senyap sikit motor dia...2. Pioneer 110D (Harga = RM 225) - Ni yang OEM punya..dalam plastik kan? Ha...kalo nasib tak baik, front panel dia kosong...Best ke tak pakai pioneer ni? Best...setakat ni aku cukup puas hati dgn perfomance dia...sebab? Sebab dia boleh write DVD 4X dalam speed 8X!! (pakai blank dvd MELODY +R 4X) dah la tu...dia boleh lagi write DVD 8X ikut speed 12X!! (pakai MEDIA +R 8X)..tak best ke tu? Huhuhu..tapi tak elok la kan...tortured disk tu...hahhaa!!Anyway, ikut suka ko...kalo aku, aku amik yang full retail..sebab kalo dah sengkek lepas ni, boleh tolak balik...ringan², aku gerenti mesti ada orang amik second dari ko dalam harga RM250 (at least)... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
athlonium 0 Report post Posted November 24, 2005 (edited) huhu... LG burn CyQ've disc bleh burn 16x padahal 8x...tu pon kalau padam auto detect...then disc tu still ok..... tapi ok la tu pioneer rm225... aku rasa electroboy dah decide beli yang tu...apa2 pon keputusan dia... nnti jgn plak x bagi review.. ok electro? Edited November 24, 2005 by athlonium Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites